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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Have a quote for a dual turbo setup for one of my 380's.
Just dotting the I's and crossing the T's and a few caveats regarding vehicle functionality with full ECU replacement.
The supplier is very enthusiastic.
It's a dual Garret Turbo setup, intercooler, dual custom exhaust kits, manifolds etc.
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Location: Brisbane,qld | To get the full potential, has to be AWD , hey, hows that end of it going, been more than 10 days, have you recieved the rear end yet, and bits |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | wsbtt - 6/9/2011 17:27
To get the full potential, has to be AWD , hey, hows that end of it going, been more than 10 days, have you recieved the rear end yet, and bits
Unbelievably...they friggin' well decided to have a hurricane didn't they? 
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | This was meant to be started Monday, but car is still at panel beaters having bonnet scoops fitted, has been moved to next tuesday for the ECU replacement trial.
The ECU is the Link G4 Extreme.
A member here (Turboworld) will be doing the fit.
If the ECU can be made to work in the car then the rest is a done deal...if not will abandon the turbo idea. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Administrator - 6/9/2011 18:39
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To get the full potential, has to be AWD , hey, hows that end of it going, been more than 10 days, have you recieved the rear end yet, and bits
Unbelievably...they friggin' well decided to have a hurricane didn't they?
Now half the bits are lost in a flooded warehouse...it will take a while to sort out...
one driveshaft just showed up out of the blue.... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Godzilla - 11/10/2011 21:49
Ball bearing Garret turbos? Hint Hint.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Here is the little girl that's in berwick as I type...being fitted out for stage 1...the Link Extreme ECU.
Need that bit sorted to do the twin turbos...
She came out looking like a million dollars.....
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | I'm only aiming for 20-25 psi Godzilla.....so you should be okay.
Already got the forged engine builder tee'ed up for another build, and if the ECU does what we think it will there's the prospect of doing some cam work as well.
But she'll weigh in at around 1900kg when i have added all the special bits..... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Today's update is that the Link Extreme ECU is in the car and running, injector and spark control are live.
Problems with drive by wire throttle control sticking, work in progress.
Believe it or not...just bought a second fully forged 6g75 with modified cam profile a few minutes ago, setup for a manual....
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Very nice work Stayer.
You are at same stage as me.
I am going to the US for some more parts.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | The Link Ecu portion of this build is proceeding.
The tuners have sorted out the fueling control issues and the stock ECU doesnt throw up CEL and limp home codes anymore.
Now they are onto the spark controls.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Well they had lotsa problems getting the coil pack simulation working.
In the end bacause it is a darlington transistor drive, the ECU needed to see a 1.2 v drop with respect to ground ( as you would expect with two Vbe junctions)
Two 1N4001 diodes in series on each coil pack trigger pulse and the check lights and limp mode stopped.
I saw it running today, now it has a weird issue of slowly increasing revs at idle without any throttle.
At least it starts and runs....
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| Getting closer .... can't see any turbos but :P
My car does strange stuff too like idle up & down to almost 2000rpm at times, it has a mind of it's own. When it's in gear it's fine so I haven't worried about it too much & it doesn't do it all the time either. One day when I could be bothered I'll swap out the throttle body & see if that works. I have one with a bigger butterfly so maybe it's confused but has only done this since it's been supercharged. |
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Location: Australia | even with a bypass valve the charger will multiply the effect due to greater airflow so yes you may have a fix there?
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I wouldn't go flashing your ECU with my tune.
I forgot to write that you'll need that PClink software from the Link site to be able to view it. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | hey thanks mate, have sent your tune to the guys to look at.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Finally.....
I think this is some very special news.
Today...a 380 VRX manual is running 100% with a Link ECU controlling both fuel and timing.
We can advance it or fuel it any way we like...no CEL's...cruise control and drive by wire is 100% operational.
Pics tomorrow....
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Saw the car today in berwick and had a nice long acceptance drive.
Could not fault the ECU work.
It revs forever now and there is no road speed limiter.
It idles great as well....in fact quieter than any 380 I have ever driven.
this is now going to the next stage, a significant hurdle has been overcome.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | For proof.....?
The youtube video link is here when it finishes uploading....
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Here is another....it is my son driving and he is on P plates so nothing too radical, just proof that it runs...LOL
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Just spoke to Justin...the man..
I can do anything in terms of tuning on the black VRX mule...it's ready for pickup...
My 380GT is booked in for the mother of all conversions on Wednesday.
(a) twin garett turbos
(b) custom manifolds and exhaust
(c) ECu, dyno,tune
(d) fuel pump,injectors,lah lah lah
(e) intercooler...custom
and god knows what else.
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| Progress so far has been me driving the Black Vrx as a daily driver sorting out software and tuning/driveability bugs.
-the cruise control wouldn't work under 70km/h and drove the DBW throttle crazy with P2135 check code.
-o2 sensor errors due to running on pure map tune and open loop o2 config....fitting a wide band permenantly for real time tuning as well.
-pushing clutch in and revs stayed at 3000 rpm when on 100km/h...even with no cruise, clutch and brake switches now I/O triggered on a port to switch map tunes
-cold idle was hunting 700-1300 rpm on 9 degree mornings until water temp exceeded 70 degrees...now fixed.
-knock sensor fitment this week, as quoted and ommitted....
The Gt is just sitting in the shed with stock exhaust, LPG kit removed, supercharger removed etc...ready to go as soon as VRX confirmed bug free.
Should be proceeding with the twin turbo, custon manifolds, twin Garretts etc next week.
It has been nearly a year to sort out the ECU....I hate Bosch....
Oh..I also hate changing gears, have been going insane in peak hour traffic with this Black car...give me an auto 380 any day...LOL |
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| It all slipped another week....I need to be 100% happy with the ECU config.
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| Had a wideband O2 sensor fitted in place of the stock upstream sensor (before the cats).
The Link Ecu now runs in closed loop mode, precisely monitoring the air fuel ratio and learning on the fly.
To emulate a connected O2 sensor to keep the stock ECU happy requires 12v ----100ohm resistor---schottky diode to ground.
This simulates a 0.55v reference to ground....otherwise the stock ecu throws a wobbly.
11 months so far to get this ECU sorted.....nearly there...maybe Friday... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Went to the workshop today.
The GT is on the hoist having the front turbo fitted and manifolds in a mock up to be fabricated this week.
Will not be long now at all.
Hopefully by Xmas I will have a 300+ kw monster.
Shit I miss driving my GT with auto...shit I hate changing gears manually in the Black VRX always spinnning the first 3 gears since the supercharger was fitted.... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | yesterday i visitted the workshop to check progress.
they spent alot of time fabricating the front and rear bank exhaust manifolds in terms of placement, heat shields etc.
I got two sets made up...one as a spare for the next car.
Here is a pic of the 4 manifolds and two Garrett 335 turbos.
Very good fabrication skills...
They are now busy doing the custom intercooler...
there will be no metal cuts on the car, or bumper bar etc...
I say it has to look completely stock and stealth
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | A bit more progress.
Jake from turboworld shows off his stainless fabrication skills in these photos, these guys are slow but attention to detail.
He has fabricated the precats into the pipework to mimic the stock setup.
The results are very impressive.
Both turbos and custom fabricated manifolds are on the car.
Looking at end of January now.
The journey's end is on the horizon......
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | yep...it's the GT....(I am however having 2 of everything fabricated...you can probably guess why?)
Manual VRX now has the S5 supercharger that was on the GT (complete with link ECU and 6 bigger 660cc injectors)
GT is the guinea pig for the twin turbos....and has forged engine #2 and Link Extreme G4 ecu already fitted. |
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Location: Perth, WA | Any updates on this awesome project John?
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Cashie - 8/1/2013 08:37
Any updates on this awesome project John?
Looking great so far, they do top work.
end of the month should be something...
but then again itw as to take a week to do the ECU on the other car.... and it took a full year.. |
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Cashie - 8/1/2013 08:37
Any updates on this awesome project John?
Looking great so far, they do top work.
end of the month should be something...
but then again itw as to take a week to do the ECU on the other car.... and it took a full year..
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Went for another workshop visit today ( its 300k round trip so thats why it isnt every day...LOL)
This is shaping up to be a very nice fit up.
See for yourself...
It's close now...really....close
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Went for another update on progress today.
A work of art is all I can say.
Im so sorry about the lousy camera pics, thought i had the SLR camera in the car... but nope.
Hope you get the idea though.
It is so shiny and smooth it seems a shame to get it all dirty by driving it ....
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Note the Y pipe air outlet from the stock air box to the twin turbo's.
Note also how hard it is to see the intercooler, it is powdercoated black.
Nothing in the stock car has been welded or modified, you can remove evrything and put the car back to stock if required.
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Location: South Australia | Classy work, hope to get to see it when you come over for the Clipsal. |
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Location: Brisbane,qld | Nice work, love all that stainless work, yes, would be a shame to dirty it |
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Location: Perth, WA | It is a work of art, great work! |
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Location: Russia, Perm | Want to quickly see the results with dino. You never cease to amaze. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | wsbtt - 24/1/2013 23:05
Nice work, love all that stainless work, yes, would be a shame to dirty it
have to be careful with the automatic transmission stayer.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Today the car was put on the dyno.
Fabrication completed of the 380GT twin turbo!
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Yesterday we made 250kw at the wheels at 3000 rpm and 13 psi boost.
Problems.....even with the Walbro fuel pump we are struggling to get enough fuel.
it needs the non-return fuel line changed to a tank return system.
Basically another 900 dollars or leave it at 250kw atw.
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Location: Perth, WA | Sounds good...
What would that be, around 320-330kW at the crank?
Bloody good numbers.
With the LSD more may be usable on the road.....JUST.. :-) |
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How would/does the cost compare? I'm guessing the turbo install would be substantially more.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Cashie - 5/2/2013 10:37
Sounds good...
What would that be, around 320-330kW at the crank?
Bloody good numbers.
With the LSD more may be usable on the road.....JUST.. :-)
These guys are shredding my new Yokahama tyres, so have asked for progressive smooth power delivery even if the end is less at the wheels.
Up to about $20K as it is all pioneering stuff. |
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Sounds good...
What would that be, around 320-330kW at the crank?
Bloody good numbers.
With the LSD more may be usable on the road.....JUST.. :-)
These guys are shredding my new Yokahama tyres, so have asked for progressive smooth power delivery even if the end is less at the wheels.
Up to about $20K as it is all pioneering stuff.
Top dollar, but I'm betting it will be a wild ride. Very smart to look at progressive power, some get too excited by a spike in power that turbos can deliver.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Of course the $20k doesn't include the LSD, brakes, Koni suspension ....and forged engine.....
The GT is almost exactly up to the price of a brand new TMR380...($53k)
@Cashie...not 320-330 at the crank, these FWD only have about 15-18% drivetrain losses...so closer to 300-315kw at the flywheel....which is what I said was the minimum I was looking to achieve.
But have decided to have an extra 20% headroom by revising it to 300kw at the wheels.
Boost is controlled by the Link G4 extreme ECU and 3 stage solenoid.
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Location: South Australia | What sort of revs is it pulling before the boost comes in? Is it running on petrol or LPG?
Will it be ready to come over for the Clipsal?
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | RM380 - 5/2/2013 18:11
What sort of revs is it pulling before the boost comes in? Is it running on petrol or LPG?
Will it be ready to come over for the Clipsal?
If you bring it over it'll probably be 3 stops for fuel and 2 stops for fresh tyres.
Boost starts at 1300rpm (4psi) , running 98 unleaded only (sequential vapour can't deliver enough fuel, would need to be liquid injection )
The group I go with every year are planning a slack track day...if we can get a slot with all the practice the v8 guys book up.
yeah the GT has brand new Yokohama Advan's...hope they last the distance.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | She's having the fuel return line mod done, fuel regulator and transmission oil cooler.
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About the only think I can see that needs a tweak is the air intake, but well done! |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Cashie - 7/2/2013 14:14
That looks even more stock than I was expecting... looks bloody awesome.
About the only think I can see that needs a tweak is the air intake, but well done!
well spotted...they were installing the oil catch can into the air intake, so it's not finalised in that area yet...
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Cashie - 7/2/2013 14:17
They should offer this as a "kit" (wish I could afford one).
Wait a few months and you may just get that wish....the first one is hard, the second is just a fabrication run. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | She was on the dyno all day.
The dual fuel line is done, the auto trans cooler is in...completely stock looking, black powder coated.
Fuel pressure regulator calibration today and turbo oil catch can mounted.
Took some videos as well.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Let's try this dyno video.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | shhhh....The TMR will be next when the dust settles.. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Going for another visit to the tuners
tomorrow afterrnoon.
This has taken nearly 18 months...(from the start of the ECU work)
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Location: South Australia | If it's not ready bring the supercharged manual over for the Clipsal. I'd love to see it. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Went for a drive with Jake.
One of the spark plugs was misfiring, but you'll get the idea.
They had been waiting for the Innovative wide band O2 sensor to come in for the final tune, idle, etc.
we went for a 10 minute drive around the blocks of Dandenong.
Shit it's loud and aggressive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oEHoQT2oRY
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | we had all the windows down cause she'd been out in the sun and it was bloody hot.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Well the problems keep getting different every day we take two steps forward one step backwards.
She was leaning out at redline in 4th gear (220km/h...LOL)
It turns out that the tuners found teh stock 380 ECU keeps playing with the fuel pump relay.
just when you think you are getting plenty of fuel the Bosch ECU decides to drop the fuel pressure by killing power to the in tank fuel pump....
That took a bit of detective work.
Solution? Drive the fuel pump relay directly from the Link Extreme ECU output ports.
Am yet to see it but they reckon it's a massive improvement in behaviour of the whole system
On track to pick it up tomorrow...fingers crossed... |
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Location: Perth, WA | Sounds great, keen to hear about it once you pick it up and fully test it day to day. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | went to pick it up...not ready...
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Location: Brisbane,qld | Administrator - 27/2/2013 21:37
went to pick it up...not ready...
am off to adelaide in the morning for a week.
BUGGER!!! |
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Location: South Australia | Which car are you bringing to the Clipsal? |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | the mercedes c250 wagon
was going to bring the GT but unfortunately they used the wrong transmission fluid and she needs a full flush.
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Location: Perth, WA | You own around 20 380s and your taking the c250...
Btw, would be keen to read a review on the c250, what year is it (thinking the new a250 may be worth a look). |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Cashie - 2/3/2013 10:45
You own around 20 380s and your taking the c250...
Btw, would be keen to read a review on the c250, what year is it (thinking the new a250 may be worth a look ).
They are a nice car...
it's a brand new one, my missus' car, diesel...150kw 500nm and uses 5l/100km the voice control works perfectly.
has all the AMG options etc.
but...it's too small for me, perfect for the missus.
the seats are hard on your arse after 500k's and you need to get out for a spell to recover.
the 7 speaker harmon kardon sound is awesome,the car reeks of luxury...but its a chicks car in size terms
i already posted pics of it in the non mitsubishi car section on this forum...
http://forum.380db.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1367&posts=6&mid=14502#M14502
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Well back on topic, the 380Gt turbo has a few problems.
-the exhaust is way too loud, gotta get that re fabricated with more hotdogs or whatever.
-the boost is way too high, 16 psi in a 3.9L motor is deadly, I floored it at 100km/h and both front wheels just started spinning...it was scarey....admittedly it had rained, but I have new tyres and LSD.
-The auto transmission is fried from 100 or so dyno runs, it slips in 4th and 5th error codes P1782 and P1783 mitsubishi specific....I expected it and it is getting swapped out next week.....someone had to do the first sacrificial dyno tunes....
-the blow off valve is still too noisy, need to bury it in the air intake box even further...or drive slower.
But it goes harder than anyone imagined...real seat shitting stuff when boost comes on.
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| Some sites list
P1782 as:
- Low transmission fluid level, or
- Dirty transmission fluid, or
- Faulty 2/4-OD Pressure Switch, or
- 2/4-OD Pressure switch poor electrical connection, or
- 2/4-OD Pressure switch circuit is open or shorted
P1783 as:
- Transmission temperature sensor harness is open or shorted, or
- Transmission temperature sensor circuit poor electrical connection, or
- Faulty transmission temperature sensor
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | thanks for that S311, but the codes are manufacturer specific.
My MUT3 actually runs the check, spits out the codes and gives the verbal description as well..."gear 4 and 5 failed to complete shift cycle."
means the clutches slipped and the input and output shafts had a count mismatch.
with the MUT3 you can actually see the live sensor data in drive along mode....
the mismatch count gets to a threshhold and...bang...limp mode and stuck in 3rd gear.
It was interesting that the generic code description could throw one completely off track.
the tuners actually put another cooler on thinking it was over temp....LOL
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | The finishing touches....
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Location: Perth | What's the new power and torque measurements? |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | NS380 - 11/3/2013 04:35
What's the new power and torque measurements?
270kw @ 710nM maximum.
But I am having the boost turned down to about 250kw...its stupid spinning wheels at 100km/h and dangerous.
(bear in mind this is at the wheels...and it's as much as a stock HSV with 300+ kw at the flywheel.) |
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Location: South Australia | How do you think it would go against an HSV?
It looks like the AWD project might need to come sooner. Mind you it would mean re-routing the exhaust system from out of the transmission tunnel as they would get in the way of the tailshaft.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Lots of money spent on dyno time to get the initial tune.
The Link G4 extreme configuration file is attached.
The car will start and run....with just a custom AFR tune most likely.
The factory MAF sensor is ignored as are all the oxygen sensors apart from the wide band unit.
There is a custom cam position sensor on the front bank sprocket, as well as the Link G4 knock sensor mounted onto the inlet manifold behind the throttle body.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Driving along the other day just coasting along and the transmission shift selector display starts flashing...uhhh...oh...limp mode in 3rd gear.
yep...all that torque and 100 million dyno runs took its toll on the auto trans.
The OBD codes are complaining about 4th and 5th gear not completing their shift pattern.
Luckily I have a spare from a wreck, was going to do it myself but decided to get some advice on beefing it up and a bloke in geelong called Paul Adams has a few ideas.. so off we go there Monday to get him to fit a few mods and do his magic.
He was the guy who did all the work getting the Quaife LSD working for myself and Foozrcool a while back.
It's only money, but a lot of fun so far.... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | RM380 - 11/3/2013 18:30 How do you think it would go against an HSV? It looks like the AWD project might need to come sooner. Mind you it would mean re-routing the exhaust system from out of the transmission tunnel as they would get in the way of the tailshaft. Not if it's a hybrid rear end... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | The auto was pulled out today, will report on what happened to the old one in a few days.
They are talking about modifying a hydraulic line and adding an adjustment point to make the oil pressure to the clutches adjustable or some such....
By the way it also spins the wheels at 130km/h in the dry.....did it by accident....in limp mode...LOL |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Torque converter was absolutely cooked, was a blueish colour.
The journey continues on friday. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Pick it up Saturday morning....(tomorrow) and it's my birthday...LOL
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Got the car back....replacement transmission, upped oil pressure (producing slightly harder upshifts), welded planetery gear pins etc.
It feels stronger than before....like a huge beast on heat and on a leash.
No more slippage, the torque converter was absolutely screwed as were the 3,4,and 5th gear clutches....TC metalwork had turned a dark blue.
The under bonnet temps are now a lot lower as well, she must have been slipping like a nun trying to wrench open a jar of vaseline...
Anyway...very impressed so far, gotta go on a 300km round trip to pickup my youngest from the airport tonight so will see how she goes.
Insane amount of power....never thought I would say that.... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Foozrcool - 27/4/2013 16:42
Welded plantery gears?? Does that mean the Quaife is a locker now not LSD?? Would be shit around corners if thats the case .......
nahhh...they welded the pin that holds the planetray gears in. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Foozrcool - 27/4/2013 17:24
So what does that do?
stops the pins coming out under big load, apparently the fords and holdens do it at times. |
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| Oh ok so doesn't aid the drive force ...... so besides increased pressure did they do anything else to tighten it all up? |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Foozrcool - 28/4/2013 11:50
Oh ok so doesn't aid the drive force ...... so besides increased pressure did they do anything else to tighten it all up?
yep...raised the line pressure by 10 percent.
the gear changes are more noticeable now.
but...it's going back in the morning....am not happy with it yet...don't like the gear changes. |
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Location: Bendigo, VIC | Brave work on this build, I would be way too scared of breaking things to be attempting this ahahahahaha. I havent got the money to fix it. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Got the car back this afternoon.
Transmission replaced again 3rd tranny now )
The original was reworked and put back in the car.
The work that was done this time:-
-extra clutches fitted in 3rd, fourth and fifth gears (3,2,2 extra)
-line pressure control bypassed to continually increase by 10%
-new torque converter fitted (both my second hand ones were dodgey)
-piston enlarged for fourth gear clutches
Fourth gear clutches were absolutely fried in both, considering that both only lasted an hour of normal driving I am hoping we have nailed this.
If it doesn't stand up to 720nM of torque I will be either dropping the boost from 16psi to say 14 psi or...fitting a manual box with LSD.
Shit it's powerful driving it home though....
Fingers crossed.....
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Location: South Australia | Fit a manual with a higher final drive, it will be a proper weapon. |
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| Sounds good John, how's the tune going? No gremlins so far? |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Foozrcool - 17/5/2013 19:07
Sounds good John, how's the tune going? No gremlins so far?
Rob...the tune is perfect, she uses fuel at the rate of 22litres for 185km travelled on my test drive tonight.
That's 11.9L/100km not bad really.
I belted it through the great ocean road for a few hours to make sure it would hold up.
Can't fault it, the learning transmission ecu shits me though, it changes into 5th way too early when you disconnect the battery, so took about half an hour to settle down.
But Rob, this thing is scarey when boost is fully on...imagine the blower with almost 50% more at the wheels.
Am seriously thinking of dropping the boost a couple of psi.
With the extra clutches it runs so much cooler, previously when I lifted the bonnet you could hear all sorts of liquids swirling around and contractions of metal etc.
Now it's just better behaved and feels strong.
I have a lot of tweaking to do with pipes rubbing, original heat shield in the exhaust tunnel rattles a bit, you know...the 380 is so well built and tight that you hear anything thats a little bit out...
I reckon I am nearly done and complete with this, and i gotta say, the blower is good but not insane like these turbos.
If i was doing it again I would use smaller turbos...it's just too much...can easily kill oneself or lose licence.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Oh...the air intake temps stay around 35 degrees...very acceptable. |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | By the way this is a backup of the tune right now.
I'll upload it here in case I ever need it...LOL
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| Ok then I think I need to start looking into getting one of these Link ecu's on board then before I decide if I'm going to stay with the blower or twin turbo or both lol. Might have to put the auto mods on the list of things to do also.
Still looking at coming down but will be after June now coz things have got way to busy with the eofy looming. Do you think my tuner could attack the Link install ok with all the extra bits & pieces or maybe get it done in Melbourne? |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Foozrcool - 18/5/2013 10:40
Ok then I think I need to start looking into getting one of these Link ecu's on board then before I decide if I'm going to stay with the blower or twin turbo or both lol. Might have to put the auto mods on the list of things to do also.
Still looking at coming down but will be after June now coz things have got way to busy with the eofy looming. Do you think my tuner could attack the Link install ok with all the extra bits & pieces or maybe get it done in Melbourne?
They take a long time to do anything mate.
The hardest bit is the initial config to get the engine started and the sensor stuff...I have all that.
You would be better off getting the Link dealer in QLD to do the install.. don't forget they had my car for 4 months here in Melb...the VRX they had for 11 months!!!
If you are coming to Melb anyway and can get down for the 6th/7th July Neil Byers will be racing his 380 at Calder park and am meeting up with him...should be a great day...
Rob....just get one turbo...not two like me...mine is sooooo much of an overkill with two.....one of the mistakes I made....money wasted really cause the turbos are working at about 40%...and less plumbing too...
Wait a few weeks till I see if this auto trans is going to hold up.....it's early days yet...and do 9:1 compression not 8.5:1 like I did.....you don't need 1100hp...LOL |
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| Ok cool. No chance of getting down there then way too busy. Probably be in July before I can even think about it at this stage.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Here is a video of my GT cruising to Melbourne.
I am pretty damn happy with this so far...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2V5dnur5-M
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | An update...
Am waiting for the arrival of custom manufactured clutch packs today.
They consist of kevlar friction plates, double sided and custom fabricated stainless rings.
This is to extend the life of the auto transmission, particularly 4th gear, with 700+ Nm of torque...at the wheels... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Foozrcool - 3/8/2013 17:24
You still frying boxes with the other mods?
Yep...first box took 125klms to fry....2nd took 500klms to fry...3rd took 2000 klm to fry (my brother booted it at 150km/h and spun the wheels...LOL)
This time the valve solenoid regulator assembly will be modified by Willall racing as well...stay tuned in 3 weeks time...waiting waiting waiting...vaitinck
I really like 16psi boost..will try everything to not have to drop the boost...LOL
Should be good for you others...I'll just write up a shopping list when it's sorted... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Some pics of the plumbing.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | The auto transmission needed the following work to be able to handle the torque (710nm at the wheels)
-replace wave spring with higher tensile one
-jam twice as many friction plates into gears 4 and 5...this required custom thinner steel seperator rings between clutch plates
-modified solenoid valve kit
solenoids modified by MV Automatics in Adelaide
auto trans modified and installed by paul Adams motors in Nth geelong
mission accomplished....time to enjoy it!
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work gear change noticeably if it works like oem?
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Anndriu - 9/10/2013 22:53
are some photos of the progress of work on the gearbox??
work gear change noticeably if it works like oem?
No photos...it wouldn't have been of any use...
there was stuff everywhere when it was pulled apart...very complex transmission.
gear shifts are more noticeable, but it feels strong.
I'll be happy after about 5 tankloads of fuel.
By the way it gets way better fuel economy than the supercharger when driven at 100km/h cruising...(520k to a tank Vs 420k)
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Here is a video of the test drive we did over the weekend on a private road..
Gave it half throttle, didn't even kick it down, just torque converter unlocked.
Gotta be careful planting the foot, wheels spin even at 160 with this beast.
anyway it sounds and feels strong now....did a thousand k's so far and looking promising...will wait and see...if it gets to 5 tankfulls I'll be happy.
here's a sample of responsible driving, keeping a safe distance and no wheelspin..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zsKnbZDcFo&edit=vd
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Location: Brisbane,qld | Administrator - 17/10/2013 15:52
Here is a video of the test drive we did over the weekend on a private road..
Gave it half throttle, didn't even kick it down, just torque converter unlocked.
Gotta be careful planting the foot, wheels spin even at 160 with this beast.
anyway it sounds and feels strong now....did a thousand k's so far and looking promising...will wait and see...if it gets to 5 tankfulls I'll be happy.
here's a sample of responsible driving, keeping a safe distance and no wheelspin..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zsKnbZDcFo&edit=vd
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| record more videos 0-100,0-200 km / h, impressive is the transmission of the bears that moment on wheels, controls the temperature of the transmission oil? is some extra cooling?
after reading your project, looking at the car for yourself |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Anndriu - 21/10/2013 00:14
record more videos 0-100,0-200 km / h, impressive is the transmission of the bears that moment on wheels, controls the temperature of the transmission oil? is some extra cooling?
after reading your project, looking at the car for yourself
I will not be able to do 0-200 because in Australia they take car and crush it in big crusher if they catch you.
transmission has extra cooler at the front.
transmission has double friction clutches for all 5 gears
transmission has modification for more oil pressure in solenoid valve body
transmission has custom steel separator rings
transmission has custom wave spring.
that is all... |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Here is a launch in the left lane to get ahead of the traffic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHJoBxmW4M
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Location: Brisbane,qld | Not bad, sounds like you backed off just after takeoff,sounded like it hessitated a bit, just saying |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | wsbtt - 22/10/2013 20:36
Not bad, sounds like you backed off just after takeoff,sounded like it hesitated a bit, just saying
nah...just youtube video processing...was half throttle most of the way |
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Just had another look...yeah...traction control kicked in, that's why it looked like I backed off.
Didn't even notice when doing it...LOL
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | Finally sorted out every rattle and squeak in the engine bay, exhaust, intercooler pipework etc etc.
Even de-squeaked the drivers' seat.
I managed 660km to 60 litres of fuel on an interstate trip last week.
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | had to put a new bumper bar assy on so took the opportunity to take this photo.
Here is a photo of the layout of intercooler piping and transmission cooler.
Might save someone some time....
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Location: An island off southern Tasmania. | wsbtt - 13/6/2014 21:06
pretty tidy job hey, did you damage the bumper?
nope...bumper completely unmodified...don't like changing safety/structural stuff.
also...strut brace was removed cause I had just regapped all the spark plugs to 0.5mm to fix wot spark blow out issue.
strut brace went on a few minutes after photo...its a custom one due to bonnet ducts. |
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